tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1501022548446411809.post5671341235362977623..comments2024-02-05T04:02:37.395-05:00Comments on The Sports Flow: Searching for Answers: Tribal Nicknames and LogosStefan Minghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07317847499073607707noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1501022548446411809.post-58403757164226422512008-10-28T11:16:00.000-05:002008-10-28T11:16:00.000-05:00I believe your all missing one important thing. Sh...I believe your all missing one important thing. Shouldn't it be up to the Lakota,Dakota, Nakota, whether or not UND uses the name? In responses by grittysquirrels he made some mistatements. 1. What kind of relationship if any did UND have with North Dakota tribes in 1913? The answer is none what so ever. 2.The so called "Sioux" who really are Lakota, Dakota, Nakota have all voted against the logo, and it hasn't just come up. Tribes have been fighting this mascot issue since the 1960's; the NCAA turned a blind eye until the Washington Redskins were successfully sued, then they started having second thoughts. I was present when UND had decided to change the name until the rich racist Engelstad threatend to pull his money if they changed the name. So grittysquirrels, you assumed wrong, it wasn't the Indians who didn't care, it was UND who's morales became dictated by hundreds of millions of dollars.<BR/>And one last thing, sioux is from the Ojibwe word Ndewiisiou, which was our way of putting down the Dakota as they were our enemies at the time. Ndewiisiou means "Snake in the grass", which is not very respectable. The French, like most Europeans couldn't remember exactly how we Ojibwe used the term shortened it to the present use of "Sioux" which yes does mean snake, but in a disrespectful manner.<BR/>Isn't knowledge and truth a wonderful thing? Ya'll have a good day now yahear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1501022548446411809.post-87128887107015205202007-10-25T22:27:00.000-04:002007-10-25T22:27:00.000-04:00You're absolutely right. Notre Dame's nickname and...You're absolutely right. Notre Dame's nickname and mascot is way more offensive. They have a drunk leprauchan running around and their mascot depicts a drunken Irishmen.Joey Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03766158097115488096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1501022548446411809.post-50239652055611756152007-10-25T19:03:00.000-04:002007-10-25T19:03:00.000-04:00It's about 50/50 on Native Americans supporting an...It's about 50/50 on Native Americans supporting and not supporting the logo. UND doesn't give anything back to the Spirit Lake Reservation which is why there is a bigger uproar with Native Americans in general and the NCAA then with they are with FSU, CMU, Illinois, etc...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1501022548446411809.post-7314714823187127762007-10-25T15:49:00.000-04:002007-10-25T15:49:00.000-04:00Actually erin, Most of the hell raised has been do...Actually erin, <BR/>Most of the hell raised has been done by the NCAA. It's my impression that the majority definitely doesn't object to the logo/nickname. In UND's case the NCAA stirred the whole thing up and received backing and support from SOME tribal members.grittysquirrelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00631956472305982542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1501022548446411809.post-35030464473254510182007-10-25T14:37:00.000-04:002007-10-25T14:37:00.000-04:00You're a Caucasian saying that you think a Native ...You're a Caucasian saying that you think a Native American logo is being used respectfully. Why don't you ask a Native American how respectful they think the logo is? Just because one Native American designed the logo doesn't mean that the majority of Native Americans think it's respectful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1501022548446411809.post-77347339323417556652007-10-25T11:59:00.000-04:002007-10-25T11:59:00.000-04:00Precisely. Also the fact that the NCAA didn't wan...Precisely. Also the fact that the NCAA didn't want the documents of their 2006 nickname policy/ban aired out (by wanting to chose to keep the documents sealed 2 days ago) makes me think that this is swinging in out favor a bit.<BR/><BR/>The NCAA doesn't want all their dirty laundry aired out in court. Personally i see this really dragging out. I think you can expect the NCAA to appeal for the removal of judge jahnke next.grittysquirrelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00631956472305982542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1501022548446411809.post-55631124322012921512007-10-25T02:13:00.000-04:002007-10-25T02:13:00.000-04:00Is it an offensive nickname? Maybe. It's not offen...Is it an offensive nickname? Maybe. It's not offensive to me, but I'm not exactly the best sample. But you have touched on the issue I feel is most in our favor... why drop the issue with the Seminoles and Fighting Illini but continue to pursue the Fighting Sioux? I get that there is some tribe support, but it just seems like a double standard by the NCAA. Which they are sorta famous for.twins15https://www.blogger.com/profile/03523976327895867248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1501022548446411809.post-17084380900938480802007-10-25T00:33:00.000-04:002007-10-25T00:33:00.000-04:00That would be so dumb if we had to change the nick...That would be so dumb if we had to change the nickname. Last I checked we didn't have someone riding around a horse sticking a spear into midfield before every home football game. And we only have the logo on one jersey.stephen ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12250597681260876501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1501022548446411809.post-53703011582536426972007-10-24T20:43:00.000-04:002007-10-24T20:43:00.000-04:00Fighting Irish is irrelevant to the Fighting Sioux...Fighting Irish is irrelevant to the Fighting Sioux. Irish isn't derogatory, Sioux is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1501022548446411809.post-8708649522046200222007-10-24T17:31:00.000-04:002007-10-24T17:31:00.000-04:00Minnesota only plays UND in hockey because of conf...Minnesota only plays UND in hockey because of conference affiliation. Florida St., CMU, etc get to keep their logo/mascot because of their friendly ties to their local tribes. They both have good relationships with them. CMU is located on a Native American Reservation and the Chippewas there basically ran the NCAA out of Mt. Pleasant.<BR/><BR/>Also, I don't know if the nickname can even be used with any respect at all. Fighting Sioux is derogatory and makes the tribes look like savages. It's not representing them respectfully.Stefan Minghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07317847499073607707noreply@blogger.com